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Iman Kristen Itu Masuk Akal
« on: November 26, 2018, 04:59:19 PM »




Arijanto Notorahardjo:
Menurut saya Tuhan itu transenden dan imanen - artinya Tuhan itu berada diatas segalanya dan harus dimaknai keberadaan Nya secara pribadi. Walau terdengar sederhana namun inilah bagian tersulit bagi saya karena seringkali saya diperhadapkan dengan situasi/hal/kondisi yang tidak menunjukkan kedua hal mengenai Tuhan tersebut. Tulisan Pak Kolik sangat mengena dan tepat bahwa pada akhirnya Iman Kristiani saya/kita memang harus dimulai dengan selalu membuka pikiran dan hati untuk memaknai berkat Nya dalam semua hal yang terjadi dalam hidup saya/kita. AMDG.

Sosis Gede:
Ini ragi ini.....
Lanjutkan
????

Kolik kulik:
Tq

Aji Soko Santoso:
PERDANAX!
Sekali lagi tulisan yang menantang, Mas Kolik!
Secara manusiawi, kita tidak bisa memilih untuk mengikuti Tuhan.
Namun dengan iman, kita dapat memilih untuk mengikuti Dia.

Kolik kulik:
Tq, akhirnya Doc Aji muncul lagi, beberapa tulisan saya yg terakhir rupanya terlalu titik titik ya, sehingga anda tidak komen

:-)

Aji Soko Santoso:
Masa?
Nanti saya komen :-)

Harry:
"Saya lalu mencoba mengiringnya dalam diskusi rasional tentang penciptaan alam semesta. Dia kebetulan percaya tentang proses pembentukan alam semesta berasal dari teori kabut asal atau Nebula. Ketika akhirnya saya masuk dengan pertanyaan “siapa yang menciptakan kabut asal itu?” dia mulai kehilangan argumentasi. Manakah yang lebih masuk akal, suatu kabut yang nantinya akan jadi cikal bakal alam semesta yang rumit ini, diciptakan oleh pribadi yang cerdas? Atau kabut itu bertumbukan dengan dirinya sendiri secara random, lalu muncul tata surya, matahari, dan hewan serta manusia yang berakal budi?"

Hmmm...pointless discussion to me. An apatheist. Once i was an atheist now i have evolved...into an apatheist.

FYI...An apatheist is someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. The existence of god(s) is not rejected, but may be designated irrelevant.

That's definition from wikipedia. But to me personally...it simply means...even if god does exist, it doesn't affect me one way or another. It's like law of nature...it's there and immutable. No matter you worship it or not. Like cause and effect law or karma for instance. Anything has consequence so you better think thorough what your action will be. No asking for god's mercy afterward. At least not to me.

That may be one of the fundamental disagreements i have toward abrahamaic faiths that emphasize worshipping. And god is personified with human attributes. Like compassionate, wrathful, vengeful and etc. Bottom line i am not interested in worshipping anything. Men have spiritual needs but mine is satisfied with listening to my favorite song. Watching sunrise or sunset on a beach. Enjoying beautiful scenery. I have never felt any need to commune in a place of worship whatsoever.

Kolik kulik:
Anda boleh tidak percaya  dan tidak peduli dengan hukum gravitasi, tapi ketika anda memutuskan untuk melompat dari gedung bertingkat, gravitasi akan mempengaruhi anda, suka atau tidak suka

Saya menantang anda untuk membaca buku I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, menurut saya buku itu sangat bagus

Harry:
Kalau buku itu cuman beradu argumen tentang theory of creation vs evolution. Dan seterusnya. Saya tidak tertarik. Karena saya udah lewat point dimana saya tertarik utk berdebat soal eksistensi tuhan. I did read the mixed review about the book though. And just as i suspected...the non-believers remain skeptical. While the faithfuls praise the book. Same case as always.

Btw...i consider law of gravity to be self evident. It belongs to what we call "law of nature". I am very fond of law of nature. It is immutable and to me...very impartial. Unlike abrahamaic god.

Armand van Cakra:
You said that you are an apatheist and you think that exist or not, gods have no effect on your life. I can tell you that is wrong. I know a god who whether you like it or not, have profound effects on our lives. He is a sadist despot named Allah.

For example there are vehicles going around near us. We don't care about them because that's their business where they are going, it doesn't affect us. But if there are incoming vehicles that are trying to ram us, of course we should care and we can't be apathetic anymore.

That is precisely what Allah and his followers are doing, they do nothing but spreading hatred, violence, and death.

The gods don't need to be worshipped, but there are some gods that require insane amount of worshipping. Especially Allah, he needs to be worshipped at least five times a day and will punish people who forget to worship him. Yahwe with his brutality and bloodthirsty attitude comes second place. Look at the dirty Old Testament if you want example.

Harry:
Nah...sadist despot is just allah's alter ego. Don't get too personal. ????

My closest idea of god...is "the force" in star war movies. For me it is not personified with human-like traits. It does not need to be worshipped. It does not need to be praised either. You also cannot ask for intervention. Like miracles. Or mercy for your misdeed and expect to get away with it by simple asking for forgiveness. No...it is simply law of causality. And one will reap what he has sown. No amount of groveling will change the outcome.

Also heaven and hell to me is merely state of mind. Symbolical to happiness and sufferings. When you are happy, you are indeed in heaven. And vice versa my friend.

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